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just wondering about 2012?

i was looking at old questions in here and found these.. " The answer to all your questions is at Lot’s of other things were predicted by people years ago. Einstein said that when the species of honey bees die out, the human race will only have 4 years to survive. Ironically, the honey bee population has decreased rapidly in the past 20 years, and could possibly be extinct by 2012.
The Holy Bible say for Christians to watch for the signs of the end times and that no man knows the return of Christ. But the Bible wasn’t talking about the signs mentioned in Revelation, it was talking about the signs that mother Earth gives us herself, like the Mayan calendar, and the disapearing honeybees etc. The clues are all in Nature. Read about the prophecies of the Popes. In the Catholic church, a pope was given a vision of the list of Pope’s and latin words to describe something about their life. They have all come true and are still coming true. We are 2 popes away from the last one on the list, and the prophesies are still coming true. It is said that the last pope will take the name of Saint Peter, and that he will announce the Anti Christ.
Well if you believe in that, the signs are there in the Bible, in History, and in Nature itself." do you think its true ? how is it different from the 2000 domsday?

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Thursday, May 20th, 2010 Surviving 2012

14 Comments to just wondering about 2012?

May 20, 2010

No, I do not believe it is true.

Ever since the 6/6/6 (June 6, 2006) End of the World scenario did not pan out, the scare mongers have been touting the 2012 End of the World scenario. When 2012 does not happen either, I am sure they will think of something else.

"But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be watchful! Be alert! You do not know when the time will come." (Mark 13:32-33)

Jesus told us in no uncertain terms that we were not to know when the end of the world would come but that we were always to be ready.

Each new Christian denomination seems to worry about the end of the world a bit too much. Then after a couple of centuries, they realize that there are always wars and rumors of wars, etc.

I won’t even mention the hundreds of false predictions of the end of the world over the centuries, all of which were based on individual interpretations of biblical prophecies.

The early Christian Church thought that Jesus was going to return at any moment. Only after a couple of centuries did the Church realize that it may be 2,000 or 4,000 or 8,000 years before Jesus returns.

The Catholic Church wisely follows Jesus’ advice and teaches that each of us should live as if we will meet our maker in the next ten minutes and that we need to work to make the world a better place for our 100 X great-grandchildren.

Do not worry about the end of the world. Trust God to make sure everthing happens to plan. Just be ready to meet God at any time.

For more information, about what Catholics believe about the end of the world, see:

With love in Christ.

Shannon E.
May 20, 2010

Yes, I also agree with you it is different.

Brian K²
May 20, 2010

you are going to give yourself an ulcer.

12/21/2012, is just the last day of the ancient Mayan calendar, and it said nothing about the world ending it just the last defined day of the 13th cycle.

Dazzed And Confused.
May 20, 2010

Nope. Bunch of bull.
I don’t really care about the mayan calander…
it’s just when it ended for them… not the whole world.

And thats pretty funny to me.. I mean if the mayans could predict when the "world ends" as you say then why didn’t they predict when all of them would die out???


May 20, 2010

"…Einstein said that when the species of honey bees die out, the human race will only have 4 years to survive…"

…and the nonsense just goes on and on and on…

Jen B
May 20, 2010

I am pretty well informed on this subject. I believe that the world has reached a point where we can no longer sustain our rate of growth…
Peter the Roman will be the last Pope. We are seeing both politically, environmentally and through prophecy a period of time, which is talked about in the Bible.

I believe that a long time ago, men went out to seek the truth of our existence. When they couldn’t find it, they created a distraction for themselves. The world of shops, music and irrelevance around us today. Until the day where we know our purpose.

—- I don’t need to teach you anything around 2012 obviously… however, if you are looking at the possibility of an antichrist… consider this thought:

When Jesus was on Earth there were two pillars, this was Jesus and James. (later Jesus and John). They worked together, as a political and religious leaders. (Two pillars of of Freemasonry….) the tradition of two has remained. Then why does everyone look to ONE antichrist? Could there be two? A religious leader and a Political Leader? — or a leader that influences both religion and politics. ie. a King? —- this is theory I have had…. Just though I would share it.

May 20, 2010

I don’t believe the world will end. The Mayan calendar calculated it to be the beginning of the 14th b’ak’tun. The previous "creation" of the gods ended at the end of the 13th b’ak’tun. This doesn’t necessarily mean they thought the world was to end.

This is different from the 2000 doomsday because that was more of a computer thing. People believed that computers were not programmed for the year 2000 and would revert back to 1900, and just stop working. The reasoning behind this is completely idiotic and is not a mythical/biblical thing such as December 21, 2012.

May 20, 2010

aligii –

If you are talking about catastrophic influences on a global scale, then why – oh why – would you get all of your information from sources like:

1. the Bible
2. the Mayan calendar
3. the Catholic Church
4. Internet conspiracy websites

…and not ever even consider reading any material that is created by:

1. Physicists
2. Astronomers
3. Geologists
4. Paleontologists
5. Anthropologists

…or anyone else who has devoted their entire lives and careers to understanding the stuff you are talking about? They all – all – agree that it’s just baloney. You should consider reading stuff that is not quite so entertaining or scary, but makes a lot more sense.

May 20, 2010

if u go through history
many predictions on doomsday i.e. end of human race has been proven wrong and if u go by the oldest religion on this planet then this is pure bullshit.
this era or this life cycle is 43200 years long and only 5000 yrs(approx ) has passed so dont worry.
may be destruction takes place but end of life hehehehe.
moreover if u go by a russian astrologer then he has made predictions of all the pope(christian).
all his predictions went right till date and he says that after 15 pope their will be lot of distruction but not end
so take a chill pill ! ! ! !

Tina L
May 20, 2010

complete and utter nonsense.

the mayans didn’t predict one damned thing. yes, a major cycle of their calendar ends in 2012, but so what? a major cycle of our calendar ends on 31 december, but if ppl started running around saying the world was going to end then you would think they were being stupid.

this is nothing more than a cruel and cynical hoax. you should know better.

the so-called doomsday in 2000 was media hype. there were genuine problems with many computer systems. i know; i fixed some of them, and spent 31 december 1999 in the lab babysitting satellites. the problems were solved in time, the system worked, and y2k was the non-event it should have been all along.

May 20, 2010

Nonsense, stupidity and ignorance are the cause of all the 2012 claims.

The Mayans predicted nothing about the end of the world, some self serving authors did. The Mayans could not even predict their own demise as a civilization due to over farming their land, so I wouldn’t count on their results anyway.

The list of popes is a new one. Given that the Catholic church has been fighting actual science for 2000 years, their predictions are pretty suspect too.

Oh, and Einstein said NOTHING about honey bees. That was attributed to him years after he died.

Do a little more research, and you’ll find every 2012 claim is a hollow as the rest.

May 20, 2010

lol go larry454- I’m adding you to my contacts just for that

Every source u’ve said is made by insane idiots, reilgious extreamists, and can’t notice the fact that A. The mayan callender ends on 2012- but that only marked the end of an age- and if they were any good with scientifc literacy, then we’d remark them amongst greeks and roman ideas

And B. Are SO gullable that they can swollow this grabage(just like the catholic church)

Hows it different from 2000 theory? Its not, its just the most retarded theory(even worce then the bible)

I’ll talk to you on december 22nd 2012

Edit: OMG its Im a catholic! Whatcha doing over here! This is the athiesim and space section lol(im just messing around)

Homer Being
May 20, 2010

The world is not going to end in 2012, mark my words. Now that doesnt mean that there wont be apocalyptic type events that change the face of all life on earth. These sites are better than the one you have, they make yours look like a joke. You are right about all the signs, they are all evident, but for some reason people wont believe in them until they see themselves suffering first hand, by then its too late to save yourself. Get in touch with me if you would like to survive the events expected to take place.

John Harding
July 10, 2011

My name is John Harding and I have found the answer and solution to stop honeybees dying.

It is nothing to do with any man-made product.

Honeybees were dying before the Varroa mite, Pesticides, Mobile Phones, GM crops, Global Warming or whatever you care to mention was manufactured or thought of.

Below, in two parts are the reasons why.

First part is an extract from my book.

The second part is from a proof copy leaflet that was presented by myself to all delegates of the International Bee Research Association (IBRA) Conference held in the UK on the 29th January 2011.

Please enjoy reading and then realise honeybees have been dying for centuries, not just recently.

First part; (Extract from my book)

I am sure you are aware of the plight of the honeybee worldwide.

Beekeepers need an answer. Initially apiarist worldwide was putting the blame for the honeybee demise on the doorstep of the Chemical and Mobile Phone Industries.

Honeybees are dying out at an alarming rate with no one knowing why. Pesticides, CCD, GM crops, Climate change, Mobiles, Global warming or perhaps someone or something to blame would be acceptable to everyone.
There are many possibilities being put forward but as yet, no answers.

The parasitic mite called Varroa is not helping matters with its contribution.

However there are two common denominators why honeybees are dying worldwide. A short explanation first.

Chemical companies are investing millions worldwide in Universities, Scientists, Professors, Doctors, Institutes, Beekeeping Organisations and whoever, so they just might find a chemical or bacterial answer for the parasitic mite called Varroa that is sweeping the continents devastating honeybees. Mobile Phone Companies are in denial not wanting the blame.

Chemical companies need an answer whether it is one or the other so they may recoup their investment and profit from beekeepers worldwide in selling their product.

Was Albert Einstein right in his alleged statement? “If honeybees die out then mankind will follow 4 years later” the chances are that it won’t be 4 years due to other foods such as rice being available but it will happen eventually as honeybees do pollinate 35% of what we eat.

Once honeybees are gone, honeybees are gone for good!

I am a beekeeper of 30 years` experience, keeping up to 300 beehives, until 7 years ago. I have invented beekeeping equipment in that time that I am proud to say, does bare my name, “The Harding Queen Rearing System using Two Queens” (as seen on the website for BIBBA),“The Harding Mini Nucleus Complete System” and “The Harding Debris Floor” These are an inclusion in my book, Chapters 3, 4 & 5.

During my life’s work things happen and you wonder at nature, how perfect is the honeybee micro-world, why would you want to change it and yet mankind unknowingly has changed the honeybees perfect 200 million year existence to what mankind wants.

My beekeeping puzzle is based on observation, common sense and logic over the past 30 years with each piece complimenting the next, eventually creating a picture and discovering;

“The answer and solution to the Holy Grail of beekeeping”.

I have always thought there was a natural way to treat the parasitic mite Varroa. After 18 years without treatment of any chemicals or sugar in my hives I have found the answer and it is a “World Exclusive!“

It didn’t start with the Varroa mite 20 years ago, what the Varroa mite did was escalate the problem to what beekeepers had done worldwide, but it did bring it to the attention of the media and mainstream public in the last few years, causing an over re-action due to Albert Einstein’s alleged quote.

Honeybees started dying out when man found honey, tens of thousands of years ago, when man wanted to domesticate honeybees to harvest honey, putting them into logs, boxes, skeps eventually beehives but taking them away from their natural source of survival and requirements, which keeps their delicate micro-environment alive.

The first common denominator for the demise of honeybees is………

Mankind!….YES! Beekeepers now, and in the past, to the very first one!

So what is the second common denominator?

“I have found a natural phenomenon, the bees need the combination to survive to complete their micro-existent world, and is free. I am the first person in the world to combine honeybees with this phenomenon, so you can imagine how the chemical companies are going to react after spending millions around the globe“.

“I have approached Universities and Beekeeping Organisations here, in the UK, and abroad, with my hypothesis but due to the infiltration of funding from chemical companies or others, Universities, Scientist, Professors or Scholars are unable to take my hypothesis due to inevitably losing their precious funding and being biased to a chemical, fungi or bacterial answer”.

Yes! It is topical, political and controversial! One single person taking on the might of a billion-dollar pharmaceutical industry and the Hierarchy of the Beekeeping World with every beekeeper past and present being the reason for their demise and the answer being a natural phenomenon which is free to everyone. (Chapter 1)

CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) in the USA is also down to mankind for the demise of their honeybees having the same problems as us but with one extra reason that is only in the USA. (Chapter 2)

Whatever you think after you have read my book, I will not be popular with any beekeeper, scientist, professor or anyone looking for a chemical or bacterial answer, but may, just may, stop honeybees dying out worldwide.

That will be pleasing in itself. I am just a passionate beekeeper that has found an answer and solution. My book is a small part of the invisible world of the mysterious honeybee that is disappearing too quickly.

“Albert Einstein did not say that famous quote about mankind dying out. It was a misquote from Albert “N” Stein an American beekeeper of the same era as Albert Einstein. However with accent, dialect and poor communication at that time it was misunderstood”.
Second part; (IBRA Conference)

An HOLISTIC Way in Saving The “Honeybee”
Available from
Northern Bee Books UK
For discussion at the International Bee Research Association (IBRA) Conference
held at the University Of Worcester on the 29th January 2011.
Varroa-still a problem in the 21st century?

My name is John Harding, I have kept, researched, experimented, observed and used logic and common sense in trying to keep as much to nature as possible while keeping honeybees. During the last 30 years I have invented bee equipment that does bare my name. I have not used sugar or chemicals for the past 18 years, due to the first approved licensed treatments killing a percentage of my queens.

I hoped that one day I would find a natural remedy for the parasitic mite Varroa.
This, I have now done.


We know that honeybees have been on this planet for 100 to 200 million years depending which book you read, so honeybees have evolved with planet earth. This has brought with it changing climates, polarity change, a change in continents with moving earth plates and a change in flora. In all that time honeybees have been dealing with disease, mites, intruders and any other alien insect or animal, even man.


During this time, their home has been in hollow trees, caves or covered protected position so they may get away from draughts, rain or severe weather to build their amazing honeycomb nest that is kept to an accurate temperature +or-1 degree to raise their numbers required for survival both in summer and winter.


Thousands of years ago man found honey. Due to the honeybees perilous home positions being high in a cave or high up in a tree, man decided to re-home the honeybee into logs, boxes, skeps and then beehives so as to make it easier to harvest honey. A form of domestication.

Has Man made a difference?………………..NO!

Except for realising a unique space (Langstroth) that honeybees respect, meaning we as beekeepers can inspect our colonies with frames rather than killing off the bees, that were kept in a skep, then held over a sulphur pit to kill the bees just to get the honey. This observation only happened 150 years ago. Queen excluders were also invented.
Are there any other major discoveries?………………..YES!

Eddie Woods (a BBC sound engineer) discovered 60 years ago inside the honeybee nest that vibration levels was measured between 190hertz and 250hertz during normal conditions however when swarming this vibration went up to 300hertz.

Was any scientific work carried out at the time or later?……………….NO!

If it had we could be further along the path of understanding the honeybee better. Beekeeping today is much the same as it was in the beginning except of course the Langstroth frame space and Queen excluder.

Have Beekeeping books changed?……………………NO!

Except for the amount of knowledge that we have now gained about the mysterious honeybee, it always seems to be repetition but more in depth, more of a scientific language.

Can we still learn from the honeybee?………………..YES!…………….HOW?

Using observation, common sense and logic and asking “What do honeybees really want?”. Honeybees did not ask to be put into a box or beehive.

However, while in our care, we, as beekeepers, should give them and treat them as if they were in a wild state of nature.

We know they want and use vibration.(Woods)

We know they will respect a unique space.(Langstroth)

We know they use electromagnetic north/south in honeycomb building and in flight.

We know with a strong colony, disease and varroa can be kept to a minimum.

We also know with a colony of strength our rewards of honey is greater.

So! What do honeybees really want?………..VIBRATION!………. How is it generated?

At the moment by the honeybees themselves and they use this to communicate, to ward off predators and to keep their micro existent climate to a perfect temperature of 96 degrees fahrenheit plus or minus 1 degree when rearing brood (young larvae), but is this amount of vibration sufficient? Unfortunately NO!

Can it be found elsewhere?…………YES!………………….Planet Earth (NASA)

Planet earth has evolved, so trees, animals, plants, fish, birds and insects has evolved with it and so too, honeybees, evolving with planet earth. Which is why honeybees not only need a high vibration of 250hertz to sustain their microenvironment but actively look for it when swarming.
How could man know this?

You cannot see, feel, touch or sense this low vibration but honeybees can.
Planet earth vibrates constantly at 7.83hertz (NASA) unless disturbed.
Honeybees use vibration to get their microclimate between 190htz & 250htz (Woods).

Honeybees are placed by man in a beehive where man wants it, if this is on 7.83htz honeybees have to work 31.9 times greater to get to their normal vibration levels just to stand still. I have reason to believe this weakens their immune system and defence mechanism becoming an easy target for any alien predators like Varroa.
Now, not being able to cope, over-stressed, disorder with eventual collapse, dying or disappearance is inevitable.

Does planet earth vibrate at this higher level of 250htz?…………..YES!

Transmitted upwards through underground rivers.

These rivers are everywhere around the planet, like, i.e.; blood vessels in our own body. Remember it has taken 4 billion years to get to where we are today. Everything has evolved together to be where it is and why it is there for a reason. The climate, planet earth and logic has dictated that.

Where does the higher earth vibration come from and how?

Planet earths normal vibration of 7.83htz gets interrupted by hollow chambers of running water/fluid creating friction allowing oscillation to resonate to become an Electromagnetic Wave Vibration which will increase it up to and above 250htz.

Sound familiar? (The same vibration that honeybees require)

The rivers/lines of fluid are normally very close to each other varying in depth and only being up to 4 feet wide, like a cobweb, zig zagging their way across the planet at depths of 200 feet or 300 feet creating vibration and rising upwards to the surface and skywards, creating an electromagnetic curtain that reaches to approximately 30,000 feet. (Birds use this curtain to migrate thousands of miles).

I.e. There are 14 rivers/lines in my 3 bed detached house and 80 foot garden, so they are not miles apart.

What is the connection of honeybee vibration 250hertz and Earth vibration 250hertz?

We know that honeybees maintain 250htz vibration within their nests(Woods). It is just too much of a coincidence, using logic that bees are drawn to planet earth 250htz vibration when they swarm. Honeybees have evolved together with planet earth over millions of years so is using the higher earth vibration, which is compatible, giving honeybees less work to do, in getting to their optimum micro-existent environment.
Honeybees need this higher vibration so they work 31.9 times less. Then are able to deal with any unwelcome intruders, like the Varroa mite, hence why honeybees are drawn to it in various ways.
Are other species attracted to the higher vibration?…………..YES!

All Honeybees, Wasps, Bumble bees, Ants, Cats, Oak Trees and much, much more are all attracted to and found above earths higher vibration. All organism are attracted to or repelled from these lines of high or low vibration.

Are honeybees drawn to Planet Earth higher vibration? YES! In various ways.


Yes, every time they swarm. Honeybees always settle above a 250htz line. This has been checked on every swarm collected, about 30, in the past 3 years.

Bait hives

All bait hives placed above a line attracted a swarm.

Abandoned hives

Whenever I was called out to inspect abandoned hives there was always one beehive above a line. This was the only hive with bees in and thriving. The others had died.

Self selection

Apiaries were left for 4 years to ascertain for self selection. After this time the only hives that survived, with little or no varroa were above a line, all the others had died.

Varroa resistant strain

In my early days of queen rearing I too thought I had a resistant strain only to find out every one that showed these qualities was above a line. I could not understand why they were so poor when moved to a new site, having shown perfect qualities when in the original site.(This was before I knew about the lines). Any beekeeper that thinks he/she has a Varroa resistant strain. I can guarantee will always be above a line.

Feral Colonies

They have not been killed off by Varroa, it was an assumption, not scientific. Beekeepers are to blame by putting hives in the wrong place where they die out with Varroa, so no swarms or feral colonies. Feral colonies are still out there surviving. Reduced in numbers, yes, but they are always found above a line. These feral colonies should never be moved unless insisted upon by the homeowner. They will die if moved or taken and put in the wrong position by man then overdosed by Varroa.

Sheffield University

I was invited by Ricarda Kather to explain my hypothesis, while there I checked their apiary without any prior knowledge not knowing which was the best or worst beehive as all looked identical. These I believe were used for Varroa hygiene. I found the two best beehives that gave the best hygienic results. These were above a line.
Hygienic behaviour
My apiaries have not changed during my beekeeping so observations have been made pre-lines, for queen rearing selection. During all these years Cleanliness, Varroa Resistance, Hygiene and Grooming have always been noticed to be far better than others within the same apiary not realising they were on a line.
Honeybees can deal with Varroa when above a line.

Honey yield
When above a line the honey yield is always 2 or 3 times greater.

These colonies have tended to supersede rather than swarm. Clearly they are in the right place so why swarm?

This does beg the question “Is swarming induced by man?” being put in the wrong place by man. How long have honeybees been trying to tell us?

Case studies
Case study 1 (within the same apiary)

Take 2 hives of similar size and queen (“A/B“), both infected with Varroa, place “A” above a line, place “B” away from the line.

Hive A; within 6 to 8 weeks this hive will have very little Varroa or none at all and thriving requiring supers.

Hive B; after 6 to 8 weeks will still be heavily infected with Varroa and much weaker.

Next season reverse these same two hives (if B is still alive) You will observe B becomes Varroa free and A is infected with Varroa.
If you can use 2 apiaries within the same year, but far enough apart, the above exchange can be done after 3 months.

Case study 2 (within the same apiary)

Take 2 hives of similar size and queen (“C/D”), both infested with Varroa, place “C” above a line, place “D” away from the line.

Hive C; within 6 to 8 weeks this hive will have very little or no Varroa (above as A).

Hive D will be as B, heavily infected with Varroa.

After 3 months change over the queens from C and D, becoming CD and DC.
CD; You would imagine CD would improve D to be Varroa free, not so, it carries on being infected with Varroa. DC; Is still Varroa free.

“I have used these case studies on countless occasions, with many infected hives, and the results always being the same”
Conclusion for both case studies……….It is not strain or queen quality but position to where and what the beehive is placed above, an Electromagnetic Geopathic Stress Line that vibrates at 250hertz. Geopathic stress lines once found can be verified by using a simple compass, it will show a 10 degree disparity from normal.

Metal structures appear to influence these vibrations so it is not advisable to use metal stands or put beehives above a metal structure such as a building.

Another question. Is it the honeybees dealing with Varroa or Varroa not liking the higher vibration? This is where I need a University or Chemical Company for funding to help or carry on in finding many more answers!

There will always be questions, especially to a way forward.
(I have the answer for that to).
This is just one very important question answered to stop honeybees dying.

Thank you for reading my hypothesis which is in my book and available with the answer to Saving The Honeybee and the way forward.

An HOLISTIC Way in Saving The “Honeybee”

John Harding
I am not a writer or scientist, just a passionate beekeeper that does not want his bees to die!
Copyright John Harding 2009 07974121472 or 01384423557.

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